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Kathy Smith: Agapi, darling, welcome to the show.

Agapi Stassinopoulos: Thank you my darling Kathy. Thank you for this beautiful introduction from your heart. It touches my heart. Here I am in a cold New York day. You, as always, warm up my heart, Kathy. I feel exactly the same way about you – that there is this incredible alikeness and vibrance. You radiate. You’re the only person who can get me motivated no matter what to walk up the hill and hiking and walking. I think you do so much for the human body through the human heart and spirit and your way that you embody that. I like to think of myself for embodying that in terms of helping people find their spirit and their goodness and their self-love.

Kathy Smith: It’s so important because I’ve been traveling around the country talking to a lot of women and one of the things that I find is that there’s so much hurt and discomfort that we have through life. As we get older, there’s more opportunities to experience things like infidelities, divorces, sickness, grief, feeling invisible as you get older, feeling unloved. What happens is I think people start to create an armor or a shield around them and they start to cut themselves from the joy within. So, I want to start the whole topic about your book and about you is how do you take that armor off and how do you get present in the moment so that you can experience life and experience the joy the way that you do?

Agapi Stassinopoulos: I have 52 chapters in the book as you know and each chapter deals with a human issue, from allowing your timing to how to turn worry into calmness, how to not live in denial, how to not side step your emotions, how to wake up your joy.

This key of not side stepping your emotions is the key to our joy and in the chapter 43, “Awaken Your Joy”, I actually say that if you numb yourself to your negative feelings, you’re going to numb yourself to your joy. I cannot stress that enough. I’m somebody who practices that, Kathy, daily.

For example, when I get up in the morning, I don’t wake up with joy, I have to admit. I don’t know many people who do. This beautiful, young girl said to me the other day, “Oh, my God, I wake up to ‘Oh, my God. Don’t make me do this again,'” meaning like, here I am. I have to do my day and the grind of the day. She wakes up with angst she said.

Now, I don’t wake up with angst, but I wake up from the dream state and you’re a little off and you’re stiff from the sleep. Kathy says, “Get moving girl. Go to the gym. Do your stretches.”

I go, “I just want my cappuccino.” So, I have nighttime energy. But in the morning, I am very gentle with myself, I write down my dreams and I am ruthless about focusing on gratitude. The fact that I am alive and I’m breathing and I’m awake means that’s good news. Whatever happens from there is a bonus, because we know a lot of people who wake up with pain and aches and disease and difficulties of every kind.

So, it’s very important to come present with how you feel. If you’re feeling sad, if you’re feeling upset, you give yourself space. I call it be a hostess in your own consciousness. Host whatever comes in but, then, discern what you’re going to keep. If you’re sad or upset or you’re feeling a sense of doubt in yourself about anything, say that and if you have a good friend that you can actually share it with, that’s even better because a good friend would listen to you and will help you lift from that.

Freeform writing is an amazing key when you write down all the things. You know, Kathy, we pretty much 60% of our lives happens in our subconscious. A lot of the way we numb our joy is because there are things in the subconscious. It could be old beliefs. It could be patterns from your childhood, it could be things that somebody said a year ago. It could be things that are not of the present but you have to bring yourself current. You go what’s going underneath. As my mother used to say, “In my la boratoire” – “In my basement”. Then, you voice it, you forgive it, you let it go by expressing it. Then, suddenly you feel, “Oh my God. I feel lighter, I feel an expansion, I feel I am exhaling, I feel I’m ok.”

Kathy Smith: Yes. That’s so powerful.

Agapi Stassinopoulos: Then, you go, “You are ok.” I do this affirmation whenever I speak now, which I want our listeners to do it together. It’s like, “I release the need to be more, do more and have more in order to feel enough. I release the need to be more, have more, do more in order to feel I’m enough.”

Most of us go to sleep at night with a sense of, “I did not do enough. I am not as good as this other person. I am getting older. I don’t have the guy that I’m dreaming of.” Or “This happened to me,” or “I don’t have the finances or the career,” or “I’m not as popular on Instagram.”

Now, of course, on Instagram and Facebook and the social media, everybody is curating the best version of themselves. So, it’s very easy to compare ourselves. I have the saying that I say over and over again. “Comparison is an addiction to losing.” That means some part of you is addicted to losing and not loving yourself.

On February 1st in New York, I’m doing a workshop at ABC Home and Carpet. If anybody’s here in New York, please come. I’m going to really teach people how do you love and embrace yourself just the way you are. Like Bruno Mars says, “You’re amazing just the way you are.” We cannot say this enough to ourselves.

I’m speaking from experience, because I have struggled with that in my Agapi life. I wrote about that in Wake Up to the Joy of You. Every single chapter, I write about what I have struggled with and how I let go and how I have brought my spirit and my heart and my wisdom to merge with the part that is very human. The only way to find our joy is we must forgive what we hold against ourselves.

One woman said to me the other day, she went to her chiropractor, a homeopathic doctor, Kathy–I don’t know if I told you this story–a very successful CEO. Because she’s traveling so much and because her business isn’t going very well–in the last two years things are not going very well–and her marriage is not going very well, she went to her doctor and her doctor said, “Your heart muscle, my dear, is very tired.”

She said, “Oh, yes. That’s because I’ve been traveling so much.”

He said to her, “No. Sixty percent is judgements and forty percent is trouble.” Judgements defeat our immune system. Judgements tire our heart muscles. I want our beautiful listeners to really hear me out here. You have to realize every time you judge yourself is like putting a little thorn in your heart.

We judge ourselves about stupid things, not the big things. “Oh, I didn’t say this right.” Or, “I didn’t do this right,” or “I wasn’t included in this thing.” “I don’t look good today.” Judgements, judgements.

We withdraw our amazing energy, our spirit, our magnificence, our adorability, our humanness, our divinity. We withdraw it and we become a skeleton bad version of ourselves. We become like a scarecrow. I see that in women everywhere. I see them dry out not because of aging. Because you look at Judi Dench and Maggie Smith and Shirley MacLaine – those amazing women who have wrinkles in their faces and Helen Mirren. They’re gorgeous because they’re filled with confidence and creativity, correct?

Kathy Smith: So true. Even Meryl Streep on the cover of Vanity Fair, they didn’t air brush out all the wrinkles and everything, and it’s just being human. It’s so true, and you know what? When I was at UCLA, a coach came up to me – a speech coach I had. I was just about to do my first television appearance. I was so nervous and I was so scared and all these other things were going through my mind. He came up to me, and I said, “What if I mess up a word or what if I do such and such.”

He goes, “Kathy, they’re going to love you even more, because that only proves you’re human.” It’s this idea that we try to walk away from that human aspect of our lives that we’ve lived this full life, especially with this aging by the way. Because I’m in this business of healthcare, everything you’re saying resonates. Because imagine the 20s, the girls aren’t skinny enough, they’re not this enough, they’re not whatever enough. As you age, it just accelerates with all of the things of my neck’s not right, my cheekbones aren’t right, my hair’s thinning. There’s things to do and we want to maintain our vitality. But when you become obsessed and also when you start really not loving yourself anymore because you’re beating yourself up all the time, it’s so destructive.

Agapi Stassinopoulos: It really defeats, as I said, our immune system. It really is attacking the cells. Kathy, in chapter number three, I write about making your health your priority. I start by saying, we have 36.2 trillion cells. These cells are giving us life right now. They are creating and dying and creating. We are the miracle of life, but we forget that.

In my meditations that I do, I help people focus on their heartbeat. Our heart is beating moment by moment giving us life, purifying your blood, purifying the toxins and giving us this life and, yet, we never focus on it. I get people to focus on it and they go, “Wow. This is amazing. Who is breathing me?” As Rumi says, “Let yourself be breathed.”

So, we are being breathed. Who makes breath? We never know, Kathy, if we go to bed, it’s a miracle we get up in the morning and we are alive again. There is something that’s working whether you call it God or Spirit or the Higher Power. There is a universal energy that obviously the only way to tap into that is meditation – really going inside, taking quiet time and reflecting on the mystery of who we are.

Kathy Smith: I’m excited that you’re going to lead us through a little meditation at the end of this interview, but one of the things in each of your chapters, what I love about each chapter is that you have these practices, these meditations. It’s almost like your own GPS – the way a GPS in a car shows you where you’re going. Here you are taking people step by step by step through the process.

I think it’s one thing to talk about it, but the other thing is to experience it. How do you evolve into this loving person and, most importantly, how do you love yourself? In each chapter, you have something. You have a snippet, you have a tidbit. So, that’s powerful. I do want to ask you a question–I’m kind of getting off of this–and bring it back around to it.

Here’s the thing. Many times, we become victims in our lives and we think things are happening to us. But at the same time, there’s some really traumatic things that happen to people and it’s been in the news recently. It’s the physical abuse, it’s sexual harassment. How do you start reframing whatever’s happened in your life – good, bad, indifferent? How do you start reframing it so you don’t become a victim?

Agapi Stassinopoulos: That’s primal – not being a victim of other people’s behavior or the circumstances in your life. That victimization, again, is a habit. It’s almost like we feel life is against us or people are. When we don’t get what we want or when a friend lies to us or when a husband betrays you or when your children sometimes shut off from you or your boss is mean to you or your colleague gets the better job when you deserve the better job and you go, “That is so unfair.” How many people go and say life if so unfair?

We have to realize that we are creating our own reality according to our karma, according to the thoughts and beliefs that we have brought with us this lifetime, but we’re also implanted by our parents. We adopt these beliefs and, then, we live by them.

So, I always encourage people to say, “You’ve got to do the inner work. You’ve got to do the inner work.” The inner work is questioning these beliefs that are set up for you to fail, set up for you to have experiences like that and start owning it and say, “Ok. Why did I allow this to happen to me? Why did I choose this man that, in a way, I knew some part of me, he was going to end up betraying me or being unfaithful.” Or “Why did I allow myself to not step up and be truthful and to stand in my courage and in my strength to ask for what I want,” whether it is the raise or the better job.

So, in this examination, it’s uncomfortable, it’s difficult, it’s sad sometimes. But you have to go through those tunnels to get to the other side of your light. Your light and your spirit and your warmth of your soul is going to carry you there if you have that resilience, that grit inside to say, “I know that what is happening to me right now does not have to be forever, that I have the confidence and the ability and the wisdom to partner with my Higher Power, with my God within to re-create that.”

You take hold of yourself like when you’re on a horse. My mother used to say, “Hold the horse by the reigns.” Kathy, sometimes, I’ve said to myself, “Snap out of it, Agapi.” I’m very ruthless with myself. If I have negative thinking or if I’m feeling jealous about somebody that they’re getting, I go, “Honey, stop it.” I look in the mirror and I go, “Honey, stop it. This thought is not supporting me. So, stop it.” I’m very ruthless, before I go out my door, to really stay intact with Agapi. Because, often, we go out and the comparison starts. The feelings of feeling less start. The wanting more starts.

Then, I have this amazing affirmation I’m going to share with all of us, which is, “My heart is at ease knowing that that that is mine will never miss me. That that misses me was never meant for me.” I have that in one of my chapters. I can’t remember which one. It’s an affirmation that says, “My heart is at peace knowing that that that is mine will never miss me. That that misses me was meant for me.”

What we all want is to not miss our beautiful self. We want experiences that bring us to our beautiful self. Sometimes these experiences that look bad but, really, they’re meant for us as Rumi said, “Live life as if everything is rigged in your favor.”

So, whenever something happens to you, whether somebody takes your parking space or doesn’t treat you the way you want to be treated, say, “Ok. Why am I allowing, promoting and creating that? Why is it that I’m being shown right now?” If you use that as your wake-up call, as your lesson, your awareness, we’re all here–the only reason we’re here is to wake up.  When I say that in my chapter, “Finding Your Purpose”–when a 16-year-old boy said to me, “Agapi, why do you think we’re here?”

I said, “Why do you think we’re here?”

He said, “I think we’re all here to wake up.”

To wake up to who you really are, it’s not going to be an easy, “Hello. Wake up.” It needs to process. Why I wrote this book and why I share my stories, Kathy, is because I feel I’ve gone through so many of these difficult moments of the human experience. I’ve overcome it and I’m still learning and I’m still growing, but I’ve overcome some very, very difficult inner moments.

I thought, “Ok. If I found keys and tips and wisdoms of how to do it, my goodness, I have a responsibility to help other people.” So, I sat here in New York at my apartment for six months, and I wrote this book with so much love and so much heart. I said, “Wake Up to the Joy of You means you are the joy, you have the joy, you have not been denied that.” To wake up to that, you have to let go of limiting beliefs, erroneous thoughts that are negative that are sabotaging your joy.

Kathy Smith: What you’ve just said, it’s profound. It really is the thing that changed my life over the years, and that is this idea of taking responsibility for what’s happening to you. As much as it hurts sometimes to say, “Oh, yeah. Somebody cheated on me or whatever. How can I be responsible for that?”

When you turn it around and say, “Ok, what is the blink moment? What was the moment–what did I choose not to want to look at it or want to see and why did I choose to accept when I knew that it wasn’t right?” All those things that slowly but surely, you grow and you grow and you grow and pretty soon, it’s like it becomes powerful.

So many times, people think forgiveness is the weaker place to be–like if I forgive something, where I have found extreme power in forgiveness. What do you think?

Agapi Stassinopoulos: Amazing. Forgiveness is the key to the Kingdom, not just for what other people do to us. But I have a practice where I might say, “I forgive myself for judging myself, for abandoning myself.” Because you might be in a situation where you want to say something and you don’t say it because you don’t think people are going to like it or you are going to risk disapproval. Then, you go home and you feel miserable and you feel, “God, I just did abandon myself. I did not follow up on my inner guidance.”

That’s a horrible feeling inside, but what you can get out of that feeling is to recognize it and say, “I wasn’t true to myself. I betrayed myself, but I forgive myself for judging myself, for betraying myself. I forgive myself for judging myself for not giving myself permission to say what I felt.” Or, “I forgive myself for judging myself for losing it with that person.” How many times do we get annoyed or we get angry with people? Then, we judge ourselves.

Kathy Smith: That’s so true.

Agapi Stassinopoulos: You judge yourself and say, “Now, come on. You knew better than that. I shouldn’t have lost it with this friend,” or “I shouldn’t have lied to her,” because we all do white lies here and there. Sometimes somebody will find out and you feel terrible.

We’re all human in that, but say, “Hey, I’m right and I am acknowledging the fact that I did this to myself or I did this to someone else or someone else did something to me that I didn’t like.” But, really, the bottom line is, “Do I forgive myself for judging myself?” Because in our hearts, we don’t want to hold judgements.

When we’re free of the judgements, it’s so liberating. It’s like you want to walk around this earth not in shackles and in chains. You want to walk around free. As a friend of mine said who recently lost her husband, Kathy. They were very, very close. She said to me, “Agapi, I looked at all the things that Jim had done and all the things he accumulated in his life.” He was a big collector – collector of art, collector of coins, he loved horses, collector of pictures and everything, and she said, “When he died, he took nothing with him. Nothing, Agapi.” This man who loved things, he loved his family. He was such a good man. I realized that when we die, we take nothing with us, nothing. We take, literally, our human heart and our human soul, and our spirit is free.

In that way, if we can remember that in our daily lives and say, “What really matters at the end of the day. Lin-Manuel Miranda, who did Hamilton – the very successful musical here, Kathy, was being interviewed by my sister. He said, “I live to the fullest of my creativity every day, because I embody the principles of Alexander Hamilton who said, ‘I live as if tomorrow is not promised.'”

That makes me fully alive in my daily life. Giving my best without the fear of failing, without the fear of being criticized, without the fear of, “I’m too afraid to try this new thing,” because who cares?

It’s never too late. I’m saying this your beautiful listeners. It’s never too late to say, “You know what? I’m going to try tango.”

“How old are you?”

“Sixty-four. Who cares? I’m going to try tango? I’m going to try painting. I’m going to try writing a book. I’m going try singing or dancing or trying a new red dress. I’ve never worn red.” Whatever it is you want to do. “I want to paint my house purple just because it makes me feel good.”

Just having that great chutzpah to really do things that enliven you. I think part of what happens to us is we lose our joy because we get into this humdy-dumdy routine. Yet, there is nothing routine about being alive. Every day and every moment is an opportunity to say, “This is a fresh, brand-new moment. It doesn’t matter that I had a fight with somebody a couple of hours ago. This is new. I’m letting it go.” And you let it go. You open up your arms, you take a deep breath and you go, “Ha! I’m just letting it go.” You just evoke that. You know you’re so alive when you teach your classes. You know how amazing that energy is as we transfer that energy to our creativity.

Kathy Smith: To every aspect of your life. There is something interesting that you just said. I was in Art Basel this last week and one of the paintings said, “Be a fruit loop in a bowl of Cheerios.” I thought it was perfect – it was like stand out, be bold, just be yourself. I just find that when you’re around people that are willing to be–whoever you are–it doesn’t mean that everybody is going to like you or like what you do. But you don’t rest on having people like you. You start to like yourself.

One of the things you talk about over and over and over again is meditation. You say, yourself, that you meditate. It’s a really sacred practice in your life and it calms you down. You do it everywhere – while you’re doing dishes, flying in airplanes, in the bathtub, in the office. Explain how you practice your meditation.

Agapi Stassinopoulos: I will. I’m going to explain, and before I go into that, I want to encourage our listeners for a very specific simple practice, which is when you hang up from listening to this podcast, I want you to take a pad and a pen and I want you to write, without thinking, 12 things you would like more of in your life. Just write them down. I want you to make a practice of writing down what you want more of. So often, we focus on what we don’t have and, then, guess what? We have more of what we don’t have.

Kathy Smith: Yes, the law of attraction. Right.

Agapi Stassinopoulos: I don’t have enough love, I don’t have enough love. Well, you’ve said that 24/7. Guess what? Tomorrow you’re not going to have enough love, but if you say, “I want to have more love and allow myself the gift of having more love.” What that looks like is that when I see people and they see me, we feel a connection of love. We feel a connection of appreciation. We feel a connection of being acknowledged and seen and hugged and loved. Then, you take it as far as you want to.

You make a habit of telling yourself every night in your little pad, in your little journal, in your little whatever it is and you say, “What went well today? What I got done today. What I appreciate about myself today. What I want more of tomorrow.” You set the intention. It’s your energy going out there with a positive intention. You won’t believe what you start attracting.

Kathy Smith: Yeah, law of attraction. I agree. With the right attitude, you can attract the world. Why don’t you lead us through just a short–if I was going to close my eyes or the listeners were going to close their eyes right now and just listen to you, what would be this idea of getting centered and finding a place of self-love? You’re right. Putting yourself in that headspace, in that mind space to say, “Ok. What do I want?” Because you ask that question to people, “What do you want more of,” and a lot of times people go blank, because they’re thinking about the negative so much. It’s like, “Hey. What do I want?” How would we get ourselves prepared to do this assignment which, by the way, I love?

Agapi Stassinopoulos: Here we are. Close your eyes, my dear friends, right now. Wherever you are sitting, be comfortable. Relax your shoulders and just roll your shoulders around, up and down. We tend to carry a lot of tension in our shoulders, so relax your shoulders, relax your neck, take a deep breath. What I mean by deep, I mean take it all over from you belly, all the way up to your chest, all the way up to your head and exhale with a little sound like, “Ahhhh.” That’s lovely. Now, take another deep breath all the way from your feet up to your knees, your calves, your thighs, your pelvis, all the way up to your lungs. Bring it up to your chest, all the way to your face, your nose, your eyes and up, up, up, up, and exhale one more time. “Ahhhh.”

You now start to breathe in a very easy, harmonious way. As you inhale, start to breathe a sense of peace, a sense of beauty, a sense of relaxation, a sense of gratitude and a sweetness in your heart. Focus on your heart. Focus on your heartbeat. With every breath, allow your heart to soften, to relax. You start to feel yourself and your heart with a heart of energy. Imagine that you’re whole body, now, is filled with this energy field of the heart. Lift yourself higher on top of your head. Start to imagine that you are much larger than your body. There’s a light all around you, and you start to experience being fully enveloped by an inner light so calming, so peaceful and almost effervescent and you can touch it.

Focus your attention behind your eyes, your third eye right in between your two eyebrows as if you’re sitting in a comfortable space between your eyes. Keep observing the rising and the falling of your breath, inhaling through the nostrils, exhaling through the mouth, inhaling all the way and exhaling. Start to go beyond your personality, your emotions, your thoughts, and reflect for a moment on these questions. Who am I? Am I my body? Am I my thoughts? Am I my feelings or the circumstances? Am I my name, my friends, my ambitions, my bank account? Am I my feeling or feeling less or more? Or am I part of something so much larger, connected to the source?

As you get very still inside beyond your thoughts, beyond your emotions, beyond your to-do list, beyond all the things you want to have and don’t have, start to experience something that is so precious, so alive inside of you that is beautiful, that is energized. It’s bigger than you can possibly ever imagine.

As you lift the curtain and the veil, you begin to see yourself beyond your physical image, of what you look like in the world. You see the essence of your radiance. Allow yourself to be very quiet, knowing that you can truly trust your life or your soul and your spirit to show you more of who you are. You are beautiful. Just observe to see what is revealed to you personally. Listen to your guidance for inspiration and for grace. Breathe in your guidance and receive it. Nothing to do and nowhere to go but just staying in a deep, calmness inside. You can stay there for as long as you want as you build this calmness until it starts to become a foundation that is steady, that is strong and that is beyond any kind of irrational anxiety. It overcomes all of that.

Now, you can return to that place throughout the day, reinforcing it with your breath, with your thoughts, with your calmness. Now, take one more deep breath. Fill your lungs, your whole body with oxygen. Let your brain be oxygenated and gently, as you exhale, start to open your eyes and come present in the room. You can shake your shoulders. You can wiggle your fingers and your toes. You can even stand up if you would like. You can open your arms. All around, you’re feeling this tingling energy around you. Take your arms and put them around yourself as if you’re hugging yourself and hold yourself for a second. Take yourself in. So many times, we’ll project out there we lose the sense of who we are. As you take yourself in, you realize that you really are the being that lives inside of you, nothing less.

As you give yourself this big hug, affirm and say, “I love and accept myself unconditionally. I am resilient, I am strong and able to see all the opportunities that come in my life for me to grow, to learn, to expand my consciousness and to know that I’m always connected to a deeper, bigger source that is in me that has created me. I am grateful and I share generously with myself and others from my heart what I know to be true.

Kathy Smith: Amen. I’m just exhaling as you’re saying this. What a profound, tiny little way to get presence and to nurture yourself just to be right here, right now. That was magical. Thank you so much. It takes such a short period of time to shift your entire energy. Imagine if you do that throughout the day – not once in the morning or once in the evening but at little checkpoints throughout the day. It is really life changing.

Agapi Stassinopoulos: You know, Kathy, I have this book in an audio that people can download from Audible from Amazon. It has 32 guided meditations with music specifically composed for these meditations and it is transporting. I listen to it myself. Literally, people have stopped me at the hairdressing saying, I listen to your voice as I go to work, as I am stressed with my kids. I listen to these meditations, and these meditations take you deeper.

So, I encourage our listeners to not only get the book and keep it by your bedside and open it in any chapter, any page from the 52 chapters to receive wisdom and inspiration and guidance and upliftment but to also download the audio and listen to–you can skip the chapters if you like and just listen to the meditations. Because I know they will help you shift. You said the magic word.

What we’re all looking for every day is to shift from a negative to a positive. Also, I want to ask our listeners–they can email me at my email: Agapi@UnbindingTheHeart.com. Agapi, with an I,@UnbindingTheHeart.com. I have 68 tips for your joyful and happy 2018. I’d be happy to send it to you if you send me an email. You can also follow me on Instagram: AgapiSees or befriend me on Facebook or my Twitter handle is AgapiSays. I post a lot of inspirational, uplifting messages always so that people can feel more connected and of all my talks, of my website that I have, you see, are always about uniting us and making us sure that we all give ourselves permission to share our hearts unconditionally to ourselves first.

Kathy Smith: Just to echo what Agapi just said, pick up the book. I have the book. The audio is amazing. By the way, great presents and stocking stuffers and great for this time of year because I know so many of you are asking about this next year, 2018. How do you start to set those intentions, set your goals, set your aspirations?

You pick up the book. I have so many favorite chapters, but I’ll find a chapter whether it’s “Awaken to Joy,” or “Are You a People Fixer?” or “Are You Living in Denial,” or “Finding Grace in Disappointment,” or just what we’ve talked about before about sidestepping emotions. Every chapter has a little nugget. You see the way that Agapi speaks and writes. She’s got eight inspirational messages that I want right on my wall that you just said today.

Those type of things are what get me up every morning, they get me motivated, they get me in the right headspace. Do yourself a favor and buy the book. It’s a must-read, it’s a must-audio. Also, I will put in the liner notes everything that Agapi just said as far as where you can reach her. Obviously, Twitter – AgapiSays and Instagram – AgapiSees. Even though there’s a spelling there, read the liner notes and you’ll be able to find everything.

Agapi, from my heart to yours, you lift and you inspire and you comfort, and I love you to death. I love you.

Agapi Stassinopoulos: Thank you, my darling Kathy. God bless you, my darling, for all you’re doing. I can’t wait to see you again very soon in person. All your listeners, just waves of love to all of you who follow our beloved Kathy here. Now, I hope you follow me too because we’re just joining heart forces to lift each person up. We need it. We need each other more than any time now, right, Kathy with everything that’s going on, on the planet.

Kathy Smith: Exactly.

Agapi Stassinopoulos: We need to really stand in our light, stand in our strength, stand in our togetherness and unite and support each other. If you have people you love, tell them a thousand times a day you love them. Tell them. It’s very important to not take anything for granted.

Kathy Smith: I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you. To all the listeners out there, I love you all. I’m just signing off. Thank you again, Agapi.

Agapi Stassinopoulos: Thank you, sweetheart. Lots of love to everybody. See you at one of my events, I hope.

Kathy Smith: For sure. Definitely.

Agapi Stassinopoulos: If people follow me, they will know. If they email me, I will keep them posted of all the events all over the country.

Kathy Smith: I’ll also get a list for them. I’ll put them up in my newsletters I send out. We’ll get a list for you so people don’t have to track it down.

Agapi Stassinopoulos: We can give each other a real hug. Lots of love everybody.

Kathy Smith: Ok. Bye-bye.

Agapi Stassinopoulos: Bye, darling.

Kathy Smith: Bye.